Cards On The Table

[athelind]

I'm gonna lay it all right out here:

After all that's been said and done, all the things they've inflicted on America, the American people, and the world, anyone who supports the Bush "Administration" falls into one of these categories:

1. Stupid
   
2. Delusional
   
3. Corrupt

Comments

[ceruleanst.livejournal.com]

Suck it up. The fandom is relatively small and sparse. Your side gets to be the ruling class in the real world. You decide who gets a job, what gets on TV, and who gets to vote. Step outside your door and within walking distance there are any number of bars, churches, et cetera where you can talk with your fellow neocons about how Bush is such an honest man and protests should be outlawed.

But if you want to be a freak among freaks, don't be so surprised when most of your fellow freaks don't want to cozy up to the end of the political spectrum that wants them dead or in jail.

[hydra-velsen.livejournal.com]

I'm with dracono here. there's quite a few of us that dont buy into Michael Moore's lies and dont make kissy-faces at Kerry. Granted, Bush has been a less than stellar president, but I'd take him over Kerry. (though not by much).

My reasons? Well for the vast majority of reasons, I support the democrat platform (not kerrry) on their social issues, however the stark fact of the matter is that I make good money and I dont like being taxed to pay for indigants, especially non-working ones! I believe in limited socialized healthcare, yet I dont want to be told which doctor to see, and that I cant pay for better treatment if I want it. I'm an atheist and support gay rights fully (Kinda hard for me not to ;) ), but I dont want to see America's social fabric getting *too* diverse, where it begins to unravel - variety is nice, but chaos is destructive. I also like my guns, chewing tobacco, and Capn' Morgans, and want to retain the freedom to destroy my own body if I please to do so, which is another problem I have with big-government democrats.

So yeah I'm not exactly in line with either party. but when it comes down to it, what's good for my pocketbook is more important to me than what's good for society. When I get 8 million in the bank I can go join Greenpeace or whatever. ;)

Priorities

[hitchkitty.livejournal.com]

"what's good for my pocketbook is more important to me than what's good for society"

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Republican Party platform in a nutshell.

[athelind.livejournal.com]

So I should file you under "3. Corrupt", then?

[hinoki.livejournal.com]

How is it corrupt to want to hold on to what you have? I too have a problem supporting indigent 'Welfare Mamma's ' that COULD work.. but choose not to because the public dole will provide more in the way of funds.

I have a problem with people who pop out kids like a machinegun does bullets for the sole purpose of getting more scratch from the Feds, and should said scratch ever be interrupted, have absolutely no viable way of supporting their brood.

I have little to no problem offering help where help is WARRANTED and DESERVED. I resent having money taken away from me that /I COULD USE FOR MY OWN ENDS/ specifically to 'HELP' people who can't figure out how to keep their legs together and stop birthing young'uns they can't support.. when they can't even support themselves.

[athelind.livejournal.com]

Oh, hellfire, most of the money being taken away from you right now is going to the people at the other end of the income spectrum.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

but I dont want to see America's social fabric getting *too* diverse

Yeah, we might let in some brown people, or lower class folks, or something.

Your logic seems to be summed up by "hey, I got mine, so screw everyone else."

So, corrupt fits.

Yay let's make America safe for greedy atheist gays with guns and booze, and everyone else can go to hell! America should be just diverse enough to include ME.

What a joke.

--Kynn

[pathia.livejournal.com]

Funny you think I can do any that as I'm working a minimum wage job, have no insurance, asthmatic (Thus no bars for me).

Every single member of my family you would probably be considered a 'neocon', but guess what? They have no problem with gays, or furries, hell my younger brother who goes to church about five times a week is considering coming to AC with me next year and his best friend is gay.

I think your view of average republicans is just as skewed as my view of you is.

[athelind.livejournal.com]

We're not talking about "average Republicans", though. We're talking about the bastards who've taken power, have done their damnedest to undermine the Constitution, to KEEP you in that minimum-wage job and keep that wage down -- and we're talking about the people who support this savage, robber-baron junta even as it tramples them.

Damned few people fall under "3", to be honest. Most of the rest are just smiling up at the boot that's smashing them in the face.

[athelind.livejournal.com]

Most of the rest are just smiling up at the boot that's smashing them in the face.

[pathia.livejournal.com]

That's just it, I don't want any help to get out of where I am. I'm going to do it on my own.

I despise handouts and I will never accept one except with the closest of friends and family and then only grudgingly. I will not be beholden to any socialistic government because I despise dependency when it is not needed.

My job allows me to see the government dependents in this society, many are more than capable of working, they just chose not too because the government will give them more for just sitting on their asses.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

So, how's that "doing it on your own" going for you so far?

Fortunately for you, you seem to have the opportunity to do it "on your own." Not everyone has the benefits you do. (My guess is you're a straight-passable white male, by the way. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

--Kynn

PS: By the way, didn't you attend a state university?

[pathia.livejournal.com]

Read my profile =), I am in graduate school. I couldn't get a job with my undergraduate degree because of the stockmarket fallout in 2000-2001, so I went back to school. It's got a really wacky schedule, thus my minimum wage job.

Depending on one's view of me, I may or may-not be straight-passing. Most straights think I am straight, but I do apparently set of some 'radars'. I'm also gender disphoric, but have chosen to remain as my birth gender.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

I did read your profile. It says you went a public university. How exactly is this "doing it on your own"?

--Kynn

[pathia.livejournal.com]

I am using loans, not grants?

[richardf8]

And the principal on those loans would be a whole lot higher if the public university weren't subsidized.

It's OK to get help on the way, dracono, you just have to remember to give some later on; think of it as another kind of loan: a karmic loan.

[pathia.livejournal.com]

When did I say the loans were from the government/university? They're private loans.

[richardf8]

Umm, I wasn't talking about the loans. I was talking about the fact that the institution's tuition would be a lot higher without the public funding that it receives, and therefore your loans would be a lot bigger.

In short, if you are attending a public university, you are benefitting from the public funding of that university regardless of how you choose to pay for it.

[pathia.livejournal.com]

Errr....when did I ever say I was adverse to public spending on education? That's hardly a handout, I had to earn the right to work on this degree, I didn't just get placed here without working for the chance.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

The taxes of people in your state went toward your education. You didn't "earn" it -- you were given it as an opportunity.

Other people's work -- their salaries -- went toward your benefit.

You didn't "earn the right" in any way, shape, or form. Man, you've got some sense of entitlement on you, kiddo!

--Kynn

[kynn.livejournal.com]

And yet you think Bush is better for this country?

Seems to me you fall clearly into camp #2.

--Kynn