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If the only worthy people were the poor and the homeless -- you know, that whole camel-through-the-eye-of-the-needle thing -- how long do you think it would take the believers to notice?

And how do you think they'd react when it sank in?

Re: I never met a 4 I didn't like

Date: 2011-05-24 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toob.livejournal.com
I could tell you one of two, but doesn't seem to matter which book it is, does it?

I recognize it's an appeal to authority, but if you're just going to dismiss any source that I can cite, then I'm afraid I can't have this debate with you short of becoming a Biblical scholar and learning Classical Greek and going back to the ancient texts, and then teaching you the same.

On the other hand, that means that your own page after page that come up on Google are equally invalid. Remember that sources on the Internet tend to be recursive.

Re: I never met a 4 I didn't like

Date: 2011-05-24 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
If there's only one source, then no, it doesn't matter.

Re: I never met a 4 I didn't like

Date: 2011-05-25 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
You know, I was just looking at my previous comment, and I realized that it's really easy to miss the italics on the "a" in the phrase "I try not to make statements based on a book". Without that emphasis, it reads entirely differently than I intended ... I not only sound like an arrogant jerk (which I will cop to), but willfully ignorant and disdainful of the printed word (which I am most certainly not).

Let me clarify: I try not to make statements of form opinions based on one source. If I run into a claim that intrigues me, like this one, I try to evaluate it in terms of other sources, including reviews and responses from other people in the same field.

I had no intention of dismissing your source out of hand, but I can't evaluate data that's unavailable to me.

(I really, really liked Elaine Morgan's "Aquatic Ape" theory of human origins, but it just didn't hold up under scrutiny.)
Edited Date: 2011-05-25 03:53 am (UTC)

Re: I never met a 4 I didn't like

Date: 2011-05-25 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toob.livejournal.com
Plus, why do our fingers get all pruney?

Re: I never met a 4 I didn't like

Date: 2011-05-25 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leonard-arlotte.livejournal.com
Dude.

Really?

You're going to smugly cite a source, then when asked to name the source, refuse?

But you are going to take that one source of information, and rely unquestioningly on it, and take umbrage when people question its veracity? How does this make you any better than any other religious fanatic?

You were the one making the assertion (about the rope misquote), the burden of proof falls upon you. If you fail to produce evidence to back up this claim by not producing a citation, or even a bibliographical entry, then your argument, and with it your case, fails.

Re: I never met a 4 I didn't like

Date: 2011-05-25 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toob.livejournal.com
I didn't back it up because I was informed that the source was irrelevant, since it was only a single source. So what would the point be. Since you ask, the source (if I am recalling correctly), was Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism by one Spong. But I could be misremembering, and it might be one of Bart Ehrmann's books.

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