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"Draw Mohammad Day" offends me, despite the fact that I read Gods Playing Poker, which depicts Mohammad in every single strip.

GPP is irreverent and snarky, but it isn't in the least mean-spirited, and this "crusade" most certainly is.

(Of course, it's in "defense" of one of the most mean-spirited shows in U.S. television history, so yeah.)

This little stunt offends me because it's not just aimed at the Fundamentalists; this is a deliberate slap at moderate and progressive Muslims, as well (not that many of the Draw Mohammed Day crowd actually bother to acknowledge that there's a difference). It's a wide-sweeping smackdown of an entire group, and it's saying the same damned thing that the real offenders keep saying: "all of them hate all of us."

Gods damn it, people. how hard is it to grasp? If you're really opposed to an ideology, don't let its adherents frame the argument.

I'm not saying "don't do this". I'm not saying "it shouldn't be allowed". I am saying that we need to examine the motives and sincerity behind it. So much of the output is a tedious repetition of hackneyed Prophet-As-Terrorist memes that it's hard to see it as a statement of "artistic freedom".

If this were really about "free speech", we'd be following it with "Draw Christ Getting Raped In The Nail-Holes Day".


Wow. I think that's the most Regrettably Appropriate use of the word "crusade" I've invoked in a long time.

Date: 2010-05-20 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathia.livejournal.com
I think it's the double standard that people are angry about. See how Southpark had to deal with it. They could animate Jesus shitting (and did) and throwing his own feces at the American Flag and nothing happened. Yet they couldn't even show Mohammed's face.

Date: 2010-05-20 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Ah, so it's not really a movement to offend all Muslims because of the actions of a few Fundamentalist Muslims.

It's a movement to offend all Muslims because of the double standards of the executives at Comedy Central.

And here I thought it was somehow "misaimed".

Date: 2010-05-20 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathia.livejournal.com
The double-standard exists everywhere, in all media. People have been murdered for drawing it. It's not just in the USA you realize, this is something being done over the entire world, including Europe where the killing/assaults occurred.

Addition: And of course the reason why the double standard exists is because if he is portrayed the extremists RIOT IN THE STREETS and cause havoc. It's happened REPEATEDLY in Europe.
Edited Date: 2010-05-20 05:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-05-20 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
By the same logic, in the name of free speech, and to protest violence, we should declare a day to go to the ghetto and scream "NIGGER!!" until people stop getting the everloving shit beaten out of them for it.

Date: 2010-05-20 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathia.livejournal.com
I don't see how that compares at all. How is drawing a religious figure the same as a racial slur?

Addition: And, as for using something to ruin its power. There's lots of instances of that. Gays use Fag, I personally use shemale and dickgirl to describe myself, because it saps the power of the insult that was hurled at me daily on the east coast.
Edited Date: 2010-05-20 06:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-05-20 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Gosh. That's a good question. How is a deliberate and calculated insult to the members of a religion different from a deliberate and calculated insult to the members of an ethnic group?

Date: 2010-05-20 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toob.livejournal.com
I think you can view it as a deliberate and calculated insult to all members of a religion (it could be argued that progressive and moderate Muslims would NOT find a drawing of Mohammad offensive) -- OR you could view it as people standing up to threats with defiance. No one has the right to demand or attempt to force others to adhere to the rules of his religion. After all, if hundreds or thousands of people draw Mohammad, continuing to threaten one or two of them makes no sense. I have an idea that that was the initial concept, however poorly conceived it might have been. And I think people feel that their own sense of religious freedom is being threatened. They have a right to respond to that.

Hanlon's Razor suggests I go with the latter explanation, despite the obvious meanness and stupidity of some of the participants.

It's kind of interesting, if you think about it -- the Christian church has had its own, similar, prohibitions against artistic depictions of Christ. It caused a schism that may or may not have been described as Great, as I recall, though it's hard in retrospect to see what was so great about it.

At any rate, I'd caution against equating irreverence with insult, and refusal to kowtow to threats with bigotry.

Date: 2010-05-21 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Hanlon for the win.

As I noted further below, I still think it's damned rude.

Date: 2010-05-20 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathia.livejournal.com
I have several coworkers that practice Islam, none were offended by the day. They think the extremists should wake the fuck up too. Some of them...PARTICIPATED. They have pictures on their doors today.

Date: 2010-05-21 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] odiedragon.livejournal.com
Religion is a choice. You are born with your genetic background. To me, that's a significant difference.

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