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In the wake of columnist and Nixon speechwriter William Safire's death, here is the speech that he wrote for the President to read in the event that the Apollo 11 astronauts were stranded on the Moon.

It's surreal to read this today; earlier this morning, I found the lyrics to "The Green Hills of Earth" running through my head:

We pray for one last landing
On the globe that gave us birth;
Let us rest our eyes on the fleecy skies
And the cool, green hills of Earth.


Strange to think what might have been, and, thankfully, was not.


Does anyone know where to find MP3 or video of a decent filksinger performing "Green Hills of Earth"? The only ones I could find today were, frankly, terrible.

Date: 2009-09-28 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tombfyre.livejournal.com
Aye, its quite good that nobody ever had to read that. And hooray for The Green Hills of Earth. A very good read, and what appeared to be a fairly nice song.

Date: 2009-09-28 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archteryx.livejournal.com
Kind of ironic that the truly daring missions of the Apollo era, the ones where terrible risks were taken and at least one catastrophic failure occured -- all ended with the entire crew recovered, safe, and more or less uninjured.

Where decades later, the relatively routine missions of the Space Shuttle ended in catastrophe and the loss of all crew -- twice. That speech, in another form, did end up being read, but read by future Presidents, trying to explain the inexplicable.

Date: 2009-09-29 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hafoc.livejournal.com
Maybe it's ironic. It occurs to me, though, that the first drive by automobile across the US, and the New York to Paris automobile race, went through with no fatalities. While I wouldn't want to even guess the number of people who have died bopping down to the convenience store for a gallon of milk.

Doing something dangerous for the first time concentrates your attention the way a routine operation never can.

Besides, Apollo had nearly unlimited resources behind it. Seems to me the Space Shuttle has always been much more of a low budget operation. The Shuttle is impressive, but it's a very compromised design. Had they built it in the Apollo era they'd probably have gone with a titanium structure (instead of aluminum covered by ceramic froth), and hang the expense. For just one example of the compromises they made.

Date: 2009-09-29 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archteryx.livejournal.com
Oh, both of those are excellent points, and I wouldn't seek to argue either of them. Especially the low budget part of it; I don't think a super-high budget would have saved Challenger. That was just raw human error. But it very well might have stopped the Columbia disaster; their wing heat shield wouldn't have gotten holed nearly so easily.

Though sometimes the reverse IS true. Look at the Indianapolis 500; its early and middle days were plagued with fatalities, because cars' performance spectacularly outran their control and safety features, especially in the 'middle years'. Once those caught up to performance, fatalities became much rarer (though they still occasionally occur!).

Date: 2009-09-29 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Challenger exploded because of a failure in an O-rings on one of the solid-fuel rocket boosters, due to cold weather.

The shuttle program only opted for solid-fuel rockets as a cost-cutting measure -- the U.S. Space Program had never considered using those things for manned spaceflight before.

A better budget would have meant a shuttle design without the component that failed catastrophically on Challenger. Not a minor component like a rubber O-ring, but a primary launch unit.

Date: 2009-09-29 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] araquan.livejournal.com
True, but some raised concerns about the O-rings' ability to perform their function in weather as cold as it was that day, but others decided to go ahead with the launch anyway- an error in judgment as it turns out.

Should it have been built differently, with more resources? Certainly. But was an error in made, later, in how to handle the system that they had in front of them? Also certainly.

Date: 2009-09-29 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Yes, the decision to go was a bad one, and was made over the objection of many of the engineers.

That doesn't change the equation that higher budget => no solid rocket boosters => no O-rings to fail. Hafoc's point was not that the shuttle was OPERATED on a shoestring, but that it was DESIGNED AND BUILT on one, as well.

Moreover, while the first four "experimental" shuttle flights were equipped with SR-71 ejection seats, they were removed for subsequent "operational" flights -- and all of the data indicated that the shuttle crew were still alive and probably conscious in the intact crew cabin until the moment of impact with the ocean. If they had had those ejection seats, there is a high probability that they would have survived.

According to the Rogers Commission report, launch-escape systems for full Shuttle crews were considered and discarded... for budgetary reasons.

Date: 2009-09-29 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] araquan.livejournal.com
Oh, I know.

Date: 2009-09-28 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] araquan.livejournal.com
Sobering stuff, but that's just the nature of exploration like this. Fortunately it wasn't needed then, but of course, we've had other disasters in space since. The road ahead is never easy.

Date: 2009-09-29 06:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
The link to the song seems to be borked.

Date: 2009-09-29 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notthebuddha.livejournal.com
The X Minus One adaptation is here (http://www.otr.net/r/xmn1/10.ram), with the verse beginning about 21:00 and given a sort of folk ballad treatment.

I've used it in games as a reverent prayer along the lines of Nimoy's 1971 recording.

Date: 2009-09-29 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Ooh, Nimoy did one? I'll have to find that.

As a Common Meter verse, it fits a zillion different tunes. I'm surprised more people, in this day of mp3s and YouTube, don't take a stab at it.

Date: 2009-09-29 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Crud. RealAudio.

Date: 2009-09-29 11:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r-caton.livejournal.com
I believe that song was used in the BBC programme Journey Into Space - The World in Peril....

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