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I haven't been posting much, lately -- and I haven't been posting much of anything political at all.

Why? Because it's hard for me to discuss such things without screaming, and screaming doesn't accomplish much at all.

Of course, Kerry's silence doesn't accomplish much, either.

Kerry's greatest asset is that he's a complex thinker, one who's not willing to distill intricate policy matters into a few sound bites. That's also his greatest liability -- he's simply not willing to talk about anything anymore, since the Grand Old Machine's Advertising-Slogan approach to running the world is virulent meme.

The easiest way for Kerry to start talking about his policies, though, would be to contrast them with the problems and failures of the Current Administration.

Kerry could talk about how Bush turned the greatest tragedy in American history into an excuse to further his personal agenda. The war on Iraq was planned before 9/11; they were just looking for a way to make it palatable to the American public.

Or about how he connived us into attacking a country that had nothing to do with those attacks, looking for WMDs that weren't there, just to fulfill a family vendetta. How he turned the United States of America, our country, my country, into an aggressor nation.

He blew off Afghanistan and let the Taliban take control BACK after 'liberating' it.

How this administration has pushed an agenda to strip away our Constitutional rights, curtailed free speech and assembly, herded up American citizens excercizing those rights in legitimate protest, dragged off both American citizens and those of other nations -- not aggressors, but erstwhile allies -- and held them without counsul...

In short, Bush has done and continues to do EVERY DAMNED THING BIN LADEN COULD HOPE.

Yes, I'm outraged. I could go on, but I'm very close to screaming again. And screaming doesn't accomplish anything.

But neither does silence.

Date: 2004-09-17 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cargoweasel.livejournal.com
Kerry is by no means silent on most of this, although politically it's a minefield for him given his vote for the war.

You just don't see it in the media because they're more interested in 'forged' memos and Bush speeches.

Date: 2004-09-17 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitchkitty.livejournal.com
Has NPR covered some of it? They're usually pretty good about not getting bogged down in bullshit.

Date: 2004-09-17 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shavastak.livejournal.com
NPR has been pretty good about covering the campaigns. I live on NPR at work, even though sometimes the news about Bush pisses me off so much I have to change the channel.

Date: 2004-09-17 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luxatos.livejournal.com
*sigh* My vote for this upcoming election may come down to a roll of the dice. I'm not happy with any of the candidates.

Date: 2004-09-17 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluerain.livejournal.com
I've been thinking of finding a really good book about the mass psychology of political propaganda.

Understanding how that works may be the only thing that can prevent me from utter loathing of anyone who could even consider electing George W. Bush to another term.

I mean, fuck, people.

Date: 2004-09-17 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathia.livejournal.com
Some of us are one issue voters.

And further. I'm surprised at you, you seem a decent guy. Why would you go about disliking someone just because of politics? That's about as bad as disliking someone for not liking your personal favorite sport.

Date: 2004-09-17 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitchkitty.livejournal.com
The difference being that, unlike sports preferences, political preferences impact more than the person holding them.

If you vote to "re-elect" Bush, despite everything he has done, then you are screwing over the rest of us.

But at least you'll get your fucking precious single issue, won't you? Civil liberties can go hang, international relations don't matter one damned bit, as long as there aren't any of those icky abortions performed.

Date: 2004-09-17 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathia.livejournal.com
When did I ever say I'm voting for Bush? Don't put words in my mouth.

Right now, any vote not for Kerry is a vote for Bush, that doesn't mean I actually have to vote for Bush to do it.

Date: 2004-09-17 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitchkitty.livejournal.com
Rain said:
anyone who could even consider electing George W. Bush to another term

To which you replied:
Some of us are single-issue voters

Some of US. As in, "I and other people". Said to explain why anyone would "consider electing George W. Bush to another term".

Right there, boy, you implied pretty damned heavily that you were casting your vote -- at at least considering it -- in favor of Bush.

Note that I never actually accused you of VOTING FOR Bush, just voting to re-elect him. As you point out, any non-Kerry vote is a de facto Bush vote. Now who's putting words where?

Of course, if you genuinely want to see Bush in office for another four years, then at least have the courage to vote for him. Voting for neither of the two candidates is the coward's way of voting for the incumbent.

Date: 2004-09-17 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pathia.livejournal.com
Why should I? Bush has done alot of things I disagree with, why the hell should I vote for him? I just disagree with Kerry even more, thus I cannot vote for him either.

I've considered voting for either, but I'm doing NEITHER.

Date: 2004-09-17 12:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] richardf8
The war on Iraq was planned before 9/11

Athelind, the facts on the ground suggest that the war on Iraq was not planned at all so much as it was pulled out of someone's wazoo -- most likely after a night of too much bad mexican food. ;)

Date: 2004-09-17 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luxatos.livejournal.com
Hey now... some people may argue that there's no such thing as bad Mexican food...

Date: 2004-09-17 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] araquan.livejournal.com
Two words: Taco Bell.

Date: 2004-09-17 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] athelind.livejournal.com
Not.
Mexican.

Date: 2004-09-17 03:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] richardf8
As I reach back among dusty axons and clogged synapses, I can recall a time when when Taco Bell didn't suck. But that was before the existence of YUM! Foods.

Date: 2004-09-17 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetpage.livejournal.com
Planned may have been a bad choice of words. It would seem it was planned in the same way that a group of 10-year-olds decides to beat someone up. "You wanna jump him after school?" "Sure! Let's get him!" Of course, the 10-year-olds usually don't take into account the older brother who will come get them in their turn, another day, and bring his friends. They also don't calculate the likelihood of being kicked in the nuts a few times before subduing their victim. It doesn't occur to them that just because he deserves it, doesn't mean that they should do it or that it won't cost them anything.

Date: 2004-09-17 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shavastak.livejournal.com
Athelind, I'd greatly appreciate your input on my upcoming 31-reasons-to-vote-against-Bush blog series. If you get the time, pop over to my LJ and throw me some suggestions. Thanks in advance!

Date: 2004-09-17 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tombfyre.livejournal.com
Gotta love the flame wars that american political conversations start. ^^ I read up on a lot o' this stuff a while back, its vexing, ain't it?

Ahh the joys of living up in Canada. ^^

Date: 2004-09-17 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archteryx.livejournal.com
I'm going to do what I've been doing to quite a few friends who've gotten discouraged politically (or too cocky). But first...

First, yes, I am a liberal Bush-hater, though it's the Republican economic, social, and religious policies I hate, not the man himself. He's just a figurehead for the right-wing liberals running the show. That's what the neo-conservatives really are -- right wing liberals. They are *NOT* conservatives in any way, shape, or form.

But, I also have several friends who are Bush supporters or general conservatives. Most of them aren't at all cocky but one of 'em does get that way once in a while, and I have to apply a generous dose of humility. ;>

In any case, I refer you to two websites, Athe. One is a set of articles from ALL sides of the political spectrum under the title "What if Bush Wins?" Some of it is highly partisan and highly depressing, but alot more of it is issue-oriented and quite thought provoking. I show at least a few of those articles to Bush supporters -- reminding them that even if their man wins, he may get exactly what he asked for...

The other is "The Optimism of Uncertainty" all about how seemingly invincible power structures came tumbling down through history...often at the most unexpected times. It's very heartening reading.

What if Bush wins?

The optimism of uncertainty

A comment which would shock my family....

Date: 2004-09-19 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silussa.livejournal.com

I think the simplest, strongest statement on what Bush has done is an editorial cartoon with Osama holding a "Bush/Cheney 2004" sign.

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