This is a hard argument for me to swallow. It's what I've been told since Civil War - that if I just wait a little while longer, things will be okay, that it's all part of some giant plan that will end up affirming the traditional values of the MU. I . . . don't know if I *can* buy that particular argument, though, because too many of the characters have passed moral event horizons. Cyclops has ordered mass murder and mass torture. Tony Stark has had people vivisected and he did succumb to outright civil rights obliterating tyranny.
You mentioned in couched terms Norman Osborn taking over the Thunderbolts. That was actually one of the specific incidents that drove me away from Marvel. Because, before that, the T-bolts was largely about redemption and the difficulties of redemption and then in a few Warren Ellis issues, all of that was dumped on its ass in precisely the kind of character breaking nonsense that did not stop at the Civil War, stripping all the characters of their hard fought dignity.
So, after years of Iron Man the Iron Fascist and Master of Assassins Scott Summers - after it seems every character in the MU has done things that would make the Midnighter blush - how is it reasonable for all of that to just be better because they learned a tough lesson?
I dunno. I mean, I'll look into more, but it's hard for me to swallow right now that I should be expected to just ignore the way the characters have behaved, en masse, for half a decade because it was part of a story. I mean, if you need to break so much character and defile so many characters all at once, maybe you need to really re-think how you're telling the story. But I'll look into it because I would like to get some of these dudes back.
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You mentioned in couched terms Norman Osborn taking over the Thunderbolts. That was actually one of the specific incidents that drove me away from Marvel. Because, before that, the T-bolts was largely about redemption and the difficulties of redemption and then in a few Warren Ellis issues, all of that was dumped on its ass in precisely the kind of character breaking nonsense that did not stop at the Civil War, stripping all the characters of their hard fought dignity.
So, after years of Iron Man the Iron Fascist and Master of Assassins Scott Summers - after it seems every character in the MU has done things that would make the Midnighter blush - how is it reasonable for all of that to just be better because they learned a tough lesson?
I dunno. I mean, I'll look into more, but it's hard for me to swallow right now that I should be expected to just ignore the way the characters have behaved, en masse, for half a decade because it was part of a story. I mean, if you need to break so much character and defile so many characters all at once, maybe you need to really re-think how you're telling the story. But I'll look into it because I would like to get some of these dudes back.